A summary of “The Next Conversation: Argue Less, Talk More” by Jefferson Fisher, and the podcast. This nearly 3-hour podcast is loosely based on the book “The Next Conversation: Argue Less, Talk More.” Let me start with the basic logic of the book: Never win an argument: You gain nothing by winning an argument/discussion, but you lose everything. For example, you’d probably still have to deal with the person, but you are an ass to them now. Goals and values: Set realistic goals for conversations and use your values to support your goals. You’d be delusional to have a goal like “after this conversation, he will admit he’s 100% wrong, and I’m 100% right”. You will disappoint yourself with unrealistic goals. Instead, set small, incremental goals and use your values to support them. Build connection - this is how you achieve those small goals. Then, how to build the connection is the main part of the book: ...